Is anyone else on TSU? (its a new social media platform - like Facebook) If you are please share your link so I can follow you.
My link is https://www.tsu.co/Fairylanddecor
Karen 
Iâve just joined, and I think Iâve followed you - hereâs hoping anyway!
Ali
Hey all I have just joined and will add you both in a bit x
Thank you for adding me x
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Iâve just signed up too, https://www.tsu.co/LilVintage it seems a nice combo of twitter and facebook with lots of crafty friends! x
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I have never seen this site what is it all about?
Just skim read the Terms. On Content Ownership (does this read as bad as I think it does âsellâ, âmake commercial use ofâ), does Facebook have all this âlicenceâ on our âContentâ too? -
âWe do not claim ownership of any Content that you post on or through the Service. When you post Content, you represent and warrant that you are the rightful owner of all rights to that content or that you are licensed by the rightful owners to post and use such Content on TsĆ«, in accordance with the Terms. You hereby grant to the Company a non-exclusive, fully paid, perpetual, irrevocable, transferable, sub-licensable, worldwide license to use, to display on the Service, make available to the public, adapt, sub-license, make commercial use, process, compile, translate, sell, lend, rent, reverse engineer, combine with or incorporate into other content, modify and create derivative works on TsĆ«, and in other communication and information networks, platforms, applications and services the Content that you post on or through the Service, subject to the Serviceâs Privacy Policy. We will not display your Content on any platform other than the Service without your consent. You can choose who can view your Content and activities, including your photos, as described in the Privacy Policy available here. You acknowledge and agree that Evacuation Complete is not responsible for the use of your Content by third parties who view your Content.â
Iâve sort of joined (I think)
Hopefully I am following everyone back, let me know if I have missed you.
Further to my post above, you are giving the âCompanyâ a âworldwideâ, âperpetualâ, âirrevocableâ âlicenceâ to âreverse engineerâ, âsellâ, âcreate derivative worksâ.
If you are an artist, does this mean they can âreverse engineerâ your picture, âcreate a derivative workâ meaning that gets them out of the copyright (if they are liable for that anyway as youâre agreeing to grant them a licence to your work anyway), then âsellâ what theyâve created?
Iâm actually thinking this applies to any design of item posted on this site. It can be reverse engineered, altered and sold, and youâve granted a licence so would you have a leg to stand on with intellectual copyright?
Seriously, does Facebook have this kind of rights on the content you post there? Or am I reading this all wrong?
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This sounds like a catch-all clause that the company may or may not use at a future date (Iâve got some legal training). The good bit is that words like âirrevocableâ and âperpetualâ are rarely taken seriously by the courts. This clause does not make it clear whether it is referring to the physical products or the photographs so it is possible it is completely unenforceable, but unless you have pre-existing copyright over your designs (which would probably take precedence over this silly clause) it would be dangerous to assume that your designs could not be used without your consent. There are lots of clauses like this, variously worded in the small print of all social networking sites. Some of the scariest are for sites such as Facebook. Itâs all down to whether or not you think you can trust the site or not. I tend to think Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest are all right because they are not likely to need the money enough in the near future to start exploiting all the artists on their site, but you would need to consult a commercial lawyer to see what they thought to get a definitive answer. It might be the case that in 5 or 10 years time all of us will get some nasty surprises when we see a large corporation unashamedly using our work without paying us or asking permission, but that has always been a risk involved in working the creative industries.
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Just had a look at TSU. Personally I would not be inclined to trust them. They claim that revenue from content is shared among their users and that everything is completely free of charge. So where is the profit for them from running such a site? Also their list of sponsors does not include anyone I have every heard of before. I would need a recommendation from somebody I really trusted who had used this site for a long time before I would want to sign up to it.
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Thanks for the reply Samantha. I canât believe the numbers of people jumping on this site, when no one seems to have heard of it a few days ago, just because they think Facebook is going to completely stop showing any posts from small businesses. It doesnât make any sense for Facebook to sensor itself in that way, youâve just got to be more cute in how you use it to promote.
As for this TSu site. Strewth. âReverse engineerâ. Why on earth would it need to reverse engineer content, unless it was to, for example, remove things added to a photo youâre sharing, like, say, a watermark. I think it is all to do with the photos that youâre putting on the site. But if they decide to âmake commercial use ofâ your photo by selling it onto a company that can recreate the item, like Alibaba, who could then make the âderivative workâ.
Just seen your 2nd reply on this subject Samantha. From what I understand they take 10% of any revenue made, then distribute the rest. But if they have the âlicenceâ to your âcontentâ to âmake commercial use of itâ, itâs irrelevant what youâre making on your own items, they could be âsub-licencingâ your idea to another company to make a âderivative workâ, couldnât they?
Edited to add, I actually donât understand how the revenue thatâs distributed to itâs users is created in the first place. Theyâve got a nice little table of who gets what, they get 10%, you get 50% if you create the revenue (how?), then all the people youâve introduced to the site (who can only sign up off of an invite from you, or it seems just by using your TSu member URL) they all get a slice of your revenue too. It seems like a lot of people could just be sitting back making money off joining up under a successful artists URL, and the artist is only getting 50% of what they make back. Would you join an online selling site who took 50% commission? Thatâs B&M gallery type money, isnât it? I really, really donât get it.
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i wonât be signing up, so i donât know if this for true⊠but i read that thereâs no âdelete my accountâ button?
PossiblyâŠLike I say, it is quite likely this term is legally unenforceable-but would you want to pay the fees and test it in court? I order to be sure you would need to ask a solicitor specializing in commercial law (and pay their fees too!).
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50% commission? They appear to be âhaving a giraffe.â
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It always surprise me that people donât read the Terms and Conditions before signing up to things like this.
I remember when pinterst had the very same wording when they first started and I refused to use it until the changed it.
Please everyone read the terms and conditions.
Yes there is, I know because I have deleted my account