Can I ask the leavers what do they think will happen next? If you put the issues of trade to one side and look at the bigger picture, what do you think will actually happen to, say, the NHS when we have a far right Tory party in control, when Boris, or someone equally as inept, is prime minister? Do you think they will ensure it is aptly funded or do you think they will dismantle it and privatise it - as this is what historically Boris and Gove are on record as wanting to implement?
And workers rights? What do you think will happen when Gove gets his hands on those - as it was our government that opposed these rights and it was the EU that upheld them?
And what about disability benefits and benefits in general? IDS really made a good job reforming those did he not?
In my opinion, the leave decision has been the most short sighted decision I think I have ever seen. The ordinary working class voters will be the first to suffer under the new far right regime, and to paraphrase a friend of mine "that anyone believes that Farage, Gove and Johnson have anything but their own power as motivation is the biggest misdirection of the century."
I am truly dumbfounded by this whole sorry episode.
I thought that it was odd that in the Scots referendum the nationalists claimed that people in London had nothing in common with them but that people in the north east had so much more. Ironically, it does seem that people in central London have one thing in common with the Scots. Both wanted to remain within the EU.
Sam x
Those that want to gain a foothold here do Sam,this was my biggest worry,the ones that infiltrate and want to dominate us.
Heâs more than a bit odd heâs dangerous.
Farage has gone back on his promise concerning the money he said weâd use on the NHS if we left.
Iâve just been discussing it with a neighbour who is now quite upset as she voted out on that promise and now wishes she voted to remain.
So it begins.
Dangerous is still too soft a word for that man.
The leave voters have been well and truly had Iâm afraid, and we will all now suffer the consequences.
He didnât influence me to vote leave,he has a certain swagger when he walks and I trust him like a gaboon viper. I must admit I thought here we go as regards the nhs.
What worries me if he got in power that he is a bit right wing but suppose he got ousted by someone a bit more right wing,so it starts all over again.
I am so tired, I couldnât go to sleep last night, just had to stay up and watch it all unfolding, an absolutely amazing night. Things are going to change, some for the better some not, only time will tell, but for us sellers at this moment, hopefully, it will give us all a boost in sales from overseas. I do hope so anyway.
As for workers rights at one time part of my job was to fix bent street sign posts that cars had knocked over,but not just me,I was a painter and the union said I had to have a blacksmith with me to heat the post,a labourer to push it upright and then I could put 2 inches of paint on where it was heated,3 men and a two ton truck when I could have done the whole thing myself with a barrow. Not sorry to see the end of those workers rights.
If you are talking about Turkey, it is a minimum requirement of accession to the EU that women, ethnic and religious minorities are guaranteed equal rights under the law before entry. That is why most commentators thought that Turkeyâs accession would be some years away, if it ever happened at all.
Sam x
A doctor from India is entitled to make application for residency in this country, as eventually will any EU citizen. We need the skills of people from other countries as we have a skills shortage.
Letâs wait to see what happens instead of running round like headless chickens, panicking. We have some brilliant people in this country, they need a chance to work things out, if they have not already done so. Large Companies will do what they have to, they wonât let their companies go under. I have worked for several large companies and I am sure there will have been several boardroom discussion on âwhat ifâ.
I thought remain would win, because I didnât think the populous would have the courage to vote to leave.
With all due respect gingakats can I ask are you actually employed now? Because I can assure you the thousands of part-time, fixed-term and agency workers - who had to take any job when the harsh austerity measures swept the country - would not be so pleased to see their rights to equal and fair treatment taken away from them by a far right Tory government.
This vote was never about the past, it was about our and our childrenâs future. Opportunities they could have had I now feel will be lost, and for what?
All I see is a country split down the middle, swept up in a tide of xenophobia and backward thinking. This most certainly isnât the legacy I and many other people I know, wanted to or ever want to leave for our children.
Whatâs done is done. Cameron should never have called the referendum- he only did so because he, too, was sure weâd never vote out. People had their own reasons to vote the way they did and what I hate at the moment is the âremainersâ abusing âoutersâ as Nazis and racists (not on Folksy, I hasten to add, but certainly on Facebook). Ordinary people (and I include myself) should not be expected to make momentous decisions like this. This is why we elect politicians.
The out vote proves we no longer put any trust in the people who rule us (or, really, shouldnât that be people who SERVE us?)
You may not be a racist, but I can assure you the leave decision has brought with it a vile racist and xenophobic ideology which a large part of the leave campaign was based on.
This countries financial and social problems started a long time before any immigration issues were brought to the fore, but immigration was the main issue of the leave campaign.
People seem to have very short memories but was it not the fat cat bankers that brought this country to its knees?
But I do agree, abuse is never acceptable in any form.
The rights do not exist,zero hour contracts,burger bars are worst with slow turnover you are laid off for a couple of hours even a day,if you are sick you get penalty points for being off and so flu sweeps through the whole staff,take a lemsip and keep going so you can spread it to the public,this is so even in residential homes with the elderly.
As for the future,that is what I had in mind when I voted leave.You think you know about far right? Google british neo nazis, see what could rise to power if they get the excuse,the excuse being immigration,they would have made hitler sick,they are on the rise in Germany for that very reason.
I am retired now,done the university of hard knocks.
No,not Turkey,we would be fools not to think they are already here,they wait for others to infiltrate and join them,Merkel who has now destroyed Germany wants to oblige.
I am told I have already posted 20% of this thread so canât reply anymore.
@ cheeky biscuit,if I am racist for not wanting to give the far right an excuse to kick off then so be it,they will if migration is not stemmed,between them and terrorists Britain would not be a pretty place to be.
And the bankers were never held accountable and they still get huge bonuses so yep,right there.
Being told off by folksy so better leave the thread,whatever comes good luck and if you have a Goddess/God may she or he be with you.
Gingakats, do you believe the likes of the EDL, BNP and Britain First are any different to the German Neo -Naziâs?
And yes I do know about the far right. Unfortunately, I have seen first hand what they are capable of. I am a 2nd generation British Asian, I remember the rise of the far right in the 80âs, I have had friends being beaten and nearly killed by the NF I know what it is to be on the receiving end of that ideology. And really it feels no different to what is going on now. Today I have heard of two people being racially abused, as well as children racially abusing other children. I myself have confronted a racist parent outside the gates of my own childrenâs school.
I honestly feel that the majority of leave voters did not truly understand the ramifications of their decision. This was never just about our part in the EU, this was about the social unrest and division this country will now face because of it. The far right seized the opportunity to play on peopleâs genuine concerns and they ran with it for their own racist agenda.
I feel sick to my stomach when I say this but I fear itâs going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any where near better.
I find the whole tone of this thread offensive. To categorise everyone who voted leave as either ignorant or racist is simplistic at best. I know people who voted on both sides of the issue. None of them are stupid, or neo-nazis or ignorant. Many of them have considered their opinions very carefully before voting. I would not dream of criticising someone for voting differently from me. The vote has been made: itâs time to move on.
Sadly there is a lot of hate being directed to both sides. Thankfully this thread has definitely not descended into the murk that some have in other places! I think a lot of the misconceptions about the motivations of leave voters has come about as a direct result of the rhetoric embraced by the leaders of the leave campaign. One thing is certain, this referendum has cleaved a deep chasm through this country and itâs a wound that is going to remain raw for a long time.
Personally, I find the idea that all of those who âlostâ the vote (as though it were some sort of sporting match) yesterday should just move on (and get over it) as quite discourteous. Many of us have a lot of very valid fears and we should be able to discuss them freely.
No one really knows whatâs going to happen now so many things are still wide open for debate by all sides. A referendum is not legally binding and, for all of the authoritarian power incorrectly ascribed to it, the EU cannot just kick the UK out of the union. Until the sovereign and democratically elected government of the UK instigates the leave process the UK will remain in the EU. The markets have taken an epic kicking over the last 24 hours and, given how enthralled the current British government is to corporations and financial forces, there is no real telling what they might do now. Fingers crossed it is actually for the benefit of the country as a whole and not just the money men.
Saw this on facebook and thought about this thread. I too am worried about my future, my day job is funded by the European Social Fund.
Please dont slate me for the swearing or adding a little humour.
Rachel
agreed @RhiannonRoseJewellery, about both the tone of this thread and simplistic âracismâ accusations.
to accuse half of the population of racism is just lazy, it ignores the left wing case for brexit, the socialist case for brexit and the green argument for brexit.
i started my sewing business here on folksy because i wanted to run it MY way - original work at reasonable prices, keeping it small scale (no dreams of expanding or mass production or making big bucks), using british manufactured components wherever possible & supporting other independent businesses with my custom.
thatâs always been my personal ambition because it suits my life long DIY ethic. not for everyone, just for me. my secret mission statement.
so when i read the following article - âThe EU is an outsized behemoth beyond refromâ - it really struck a chord.
âThe most profound weakness of the EU ⌠is that it is a super-sized top-down dogmatic project of endless industrial development and growth ⌠fosters the pointless carting of goods enormous distances, and it smashes local resilience and self-reliance.â
it surprises me that more members of the handmade community donât feel an affinity for this argument.