How does everyone feel this morning?

Yes, I sat up and watched it too @littleblackheart the power of the vote is amazing really.

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A good comment,a wake up call.

Oh yes Sturgen has said she’s preparing the legal bits for a referendum and N.Ireland are also now considering a Referendum to leave the UK.

If they go ahead does and vote yes to leave the rest of the UK it will the UK gone and what’s left will be tiny.

What would folksy do for our N.Irish memebers and our Scottish members if that happens?

Oh my is anyone listening to the News right now :open_mouth:

I’m disappointed in the result and quite appalled by the so-called ā€˜democratic’ process that has lead to it. It has been a very dark few months for politics in this country. So little fact and reasoned debate. So much vitriol, lies and spin (on all sides). Is it the old adage of divide and conquer?

I’m only a resident in the UK but, as I’m from a Commonwealth country, I am eligible to vote (which is somewhat ironic as residents from EU countries were not) so I did take part yesterday. I don’t agree that Britain will be better off out of the EU but it will certainly be interesting to see what happens now. My husband (who is British) and I never intended to stay in the UK forever so, for me personally, the results of this referendum may mean that we end up leaving sooner than we would have otherwise. It really depends on how things go from here (licks finger and sticks in air) … and no one seems to have many concrete answers on that score.

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Yes it seems democracy is alive despite all the conspiracy theories, I have to admit I was surprised at the result and thought remain would win.

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I thank you for allowing this to continue @folksycontent if it makes you feel any better this is the most civilised discussion I’ve read on the matter! Haha

I wonder if this will actually help Ireland unite. That would be a wonderful day. I know it’s probably a long shot- but you never know!! Stranger things have happened.

I also think Scotland probably will vote for independence this time round. And I totally understand their reasons- a lot of what I’ve seen/read & from Scottish friends- they feel as though none of this is their choice- and a lot of them voted against leaving last time because they didn’t want to leave the EU and be on their own…maybe these referendums should have been the other way around?!

Well, I guess what will be will be. I’m still truly terrified for a far right wing government. Nothing will shake that scary thought. I’m liberal and Green through and through (none of my family is however) so I think Canada is probably coming at the right time for us…I guess they do say everything happens for a reason.

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This topic will be discussed all over the world, online and offline. Add to that the possibility of another Referendum in Scotland.

I knew the result would be extremely close, but I found myself shocked when I saw the result. I think because we are living in troubled times with so much going on. Perhaps the EU is a safety net and we might not have that anymore.

As for freedom and independence other mentioned…I have a friend from an EU country. Her country has experienced wars, civil war, dictatorship (edited to add foreign occupation as well)…so independence of your country is not bad as a concept in any age or era. I can see why older people would vote for Leave. But Remain has massive benefits too.

I’m not stressing too much at the moment. There will be a period of discussions and negotiations that will take quite some time. The UK might still get a deal to be part of the single market. I’ll take a day at a time and see how everything unfolds…

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I guess we’d go to E*sy, Eileen. Or I’d try Dawanda, or Zibbet. Or somewhere else. We’d certainly not be welcome here! Everyone would be moaning about those foreign sellers from Scotland lol!

On a serious note, I’m guessing that we just have to adapt to changes, both those we’ve chosen and those imposed on us. Individuals, businesses, banks…we all have to learn to work under the new regime, whatever it ends up looking and feeling like. If nothing else, hopefully those who didn’t get what they want become more engaged in local politics and make changes that way. I know some folk voted for the very first time in this one…maybe they’ll find it in themselves to bother their backsides in the future, too…An engaged electorate is certainly more representative than just a few.

Time Scotland ruled itself anyway and to hell with the consequences,a Scottish parliment that is not in the shadow of Westminster.

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You know, I always wondered why they didn’t have an English devolved government. I know they did the ā€œenglish votes for english mattersā€ thing last year (which I agree with - why should an aberdeen mp be allowed to vote on an issue affecting only england?) but why make it so that Westminster is the only way englandshire feels represented? I suspect feeling unheard happens south of the border too.

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I too was devastated by the result this morning. I don’t have much to add to the comments that you have made, Susannah, except to say that funding for schools is now certain to be cut because of the way European funding (used to) work in this country. In Sussex, where I live, the schools are already underfunded because the UK government wrongly categorizes it as a rural area and not commuter belt and therefore funds us Ā£100 less per child per year as a result. This could push state schools over the edge.

My life was saved about 15 years ago by a Czech junior doctor who realized I had an adverse reaction to a routine operation when nobody else, including a (British) senior consultant, had noticed anything was wrong. It was just in time. My heart had to be restarted on the operating table as the (Indian) surgeon fought to save me.

I know this is only an anecdote to most people and not evidence of the benefits of immigration, but it is the reason why I can never, ever agree with people who wish to divide the world purely along national lines which have everything to do with historical conflict and nothing to do with common sense.

To paraphrase (and I hope not completely mis-quote) Neil Oliver’s comment from the Scottish referendum, when you start to draw lines on maps then sooner or later there will be war. It may not be in my lifetime or even my grandchildren’s lifetime, but at some point our descendants will fight because of the line that will be drawn between England and the continent, between England and Scotland.

This is the reality of democracy; People will have their say. Their motives may not be sensible or rational. They may be informed by all kinds of assumptions which may be true, false or just unproven. Now we are all just going to have to ā€œmake do and mend.ā€ As crafters at least that is something we are all good at.

Sam x

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I just think English snouts have been in Scottish afairs for far too long,how can someone in London fully understand the problems of living in the highlands for example? It is like townies trying to manage country affairs.
We all have different needs and only those that understand them should make the rules,if you don’t play the game don’t make up the rules.

I am quite shocked by the views on here. Not because I disagree with them but because I guess I don’t fully understand them. I am not a young person so maybe that’s why I see things slightly differently. There seemed to be a divide between young and old in the voting, along with the Capital vote, which I think really drove home how differently Westminster sees things.

This is really interesting to me, having lived in the UK before we joined the Common Market as it was known then.

I don’t think anyone knows what the future holds for us now, but I’m not sure it has to necessarily be as dreadful as some posters think.

To be honest I think everyone is shocked and no-one expected the Leave campaign to win- even Boris looked nonplussed and unprepared.

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I owe a left leg to an asian doctor,a left eye to another and the life of a grandson to an indian consultant, I voted leave and don’t think we will lose these good people because of it.
The indian consultant could not save my brother and if she couldn’t no body could have,she is that good.
Under some cultures women like her and the one that saved my eye would not be allowed to study or practice or drive,these cultures want to rule us.

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Feeling a bit disappointed. From a personal POV for our finances (we have to remortgage in Oct - I hope we get a good rate and the markets are not too affected by then!) then my husbands job, whose european HQ is in London. Will they stay in London? Who knows.

I’ll be interested to see though what happens over the next couple of years as we disengage from the EU. Will those who vote Leave continue to be happy for what they voted for? Will those who Remain be actually reassured by what happens in the future as it unfolds?

As for my business, and for all our businesses, I guess we’ll just have to watch this space!

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I’m not a young person either Sarah @plainprimitives, and I too remember times before the EC, but maybe my memories are not as rosy as others’? I remember the UK being the ā€˜poor man’ of Europe with massive post-war debts and massive social unrest. I’m with the younger generation on Europe.

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Yes Christine, I remember the strikes and power cuts too- and being the poor man of Europe, an old schoolfriend and i were talking about it the other day, how much less choice there was, and how we seemed more contented, but the world has moved on now, so it will be interesting to see how things unfold.

Also not entirely sure about Nigel Farage :confused: he seems a bit odd to me.

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hehe - it was clear from the results that LONDON doesn’t even understand the problems of living anywhere else in england (& wales) let alone the highlands!

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i’m also an immigrant, so i’ve had the opportunity to vote in an historic referendum once before; in 1992 i voted YES to end apartheid and trigger the first democratic election in south africa.
like @littleblackheart said, watching democracy in action, knowing that your vote actually counted, is something we shouldn’t take for granted.

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I probably have land in South Africa,it was paid for but we never moved there,for one thing not healthy to try to claim it,for another how the hell can I possibly say it is mine? It was probably some white farmer that tried to sell what wasn’t his to sell,it belongs to Africans.
Don’t start me on Africa,how much for a bit of Malachite over here ? The answer more than an African gets in a year for mining tons of it.
Africa has the Gold,Diamonds,Copper,Tanzanite,Malachite,the list is endless,it should be the richest nation in the world and is exploited beyond all belief,treated like dogs and fed scraps of foreign aid,just enough to keep them alive to mine all of the above to keep the greedy bar stewards rich.

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Sorry James, I must have missed something, but I can’t recall hearing about a country within the EU that forbids women to practice medicine.

Sam x